The Stargate Universe embodied certain concepts, a spirit of adventure, action and politics with various factions. What we see is a total departure from this with SGU. The sense of reality TV has crept into this incarnation of the show. It nothing but a cheap publicity stunt to get the reality TV fans to embrace SGU and make billions for the producers like American Idol did. With respect to reality TV and its fans I must say that the producers and writers are way off with SGU. I think it was a poor and fool hardy gamble for a Sci-Fi show. Yes they have a right to take the show any direction they wish irrespective of what the majority of fans want. However the numbers don't lie. This show may bury the Stargate concept under six feet of cold dirt.

"How old are you people, fourteen, fifteen?"

We can only hope...

I can't believe the immaturity of the comments I'm reading here, from both sides of the debate. It reminds me of Youtube comments.

My 2c. I'm a long time Stargate fan and I’m starting to like Universe now that I’ve given it a fair go. It's taking a while to get going, but a lot of good shows have. It's kinda like the Deep Space 9 of Stargate. If you hate it, that's cool, but there's no need to be so militant.

I've seen a lot of comments about Universe not being true Stargate. What they seem to neglect is that Universe is quite similar in style to the Original movie with Kurt Russell. It's certainly more true to the vision Emmerich had for Stargate. Ironically, there were fans of the movie who hated SG1 for very similar reasons to those people are bagging Universe for now.

As a fan of the Stargate franchise, I really wanted to like SGU. I like many of the actors, and I think the show has potential. That being said, I had gotten to the point that I didn't make time to watch it, and honestly that happened about 4 episodes in. The same with Caprica. I was truly excited about it even though I wasn't a huge BSG fan. I stuck with it for the first three eps and it just didn't grab me like I hoped it would. Not even sure I'll continue with it at all. Same goes for SGU.

Sanctuary is a different story. I was a huge fan in S1 and was looking forward to S2 with great expectations. Maybe my expectations were too great, or maybe I was just expecting to see the same show in S2. It was not. After episode 3, the show took a bad turn into a disjointed mess that was poorly written and looked thrown together. Many including myself did not like the cast change and I also did not like the change in the tone of the show. What really puzzled me about Sanctuary is that the changes weren't necessary. They had a successful show and instead of building on the foundation they had, Kindler decides to scrap all of the storyline from S1 and start over. Who in their right mind makes a move to a more action oriented show, kills off its main action hero and replaces her with a very poor imitation. Sanctuary Season 2 should be called "a study in how to lose your audience".

So yes, I think Syfy needs not only to imagine greater than they are now, but to listen a bit closer to what their audience is saying.

Wooden characters, Bad Script, Overuse of drama before anyone could care about the character. Stargate as a whole has never done good writing for emotional scenes and to dump everything else for their true weak point is beyond weird.

I think I watched around 5-6 episodes and when I found myself getting urges to cook or sleep halfway though the episodes it was apparent that it was time to shut it down.

There is no comparing this show to BSG. One could see the misery in the eyes of the cast during its run even from the beginning. What I see with SGU is hollow emotions like something from one of those "teen nick" shows. None of the characters are established enough to care anyway.

Had no problem with the lesbian women cuddling as that was about the best acted part on the whole show.

Personally I feel that what showed up with high ratings in the beginning is nothing more that all fans making sure to tune in to see a new show. Unfortunately said fans do not care to follow this.

I also predict the bottom will fall out when the 2nd half of the season appears. I could be wrong but, I don't think so.

I haven't seen this much strong reaction since Trek announced they would be doing a "prequel".

They say big people make big mistakes, and this is what happened to the Stargate franchise.

Everywhere we look, from forums, video sites to Amazon reviews, SGU received massive outcry, even affiliated fan sites are finding it hard to contain all the negative responses.

While the producers of SGU publicly stated they don't care about the old fans, going as far as calling old fans "morons" and "idiots", what they were afraid to admit is they needed the old fan base as a crutch just incase people found out how much they sucked. After all, why use the Stargate brand if they didn't need the fan base at all?

What really happened is the producers of SGU have lost the touch, the world changed so much, they look at other shows and wonder why they're not making as much money as well, so they thought it's time to change something, fix something that's not broken.

They didn't have the balls to create something entirely new, so they used the Stargate brand as a blanket, looked at Survivors, American idols, Lost, Greys anatomy, Cloverfield etc, took what they thought was making them popular and combined them base on BSG, a framework they were comfortable working with.

The end result was a gigantic fail, what they ended up producing is exactly what you get when you take everything out of your fridge, blend them into a paste, cook it in microwave then put it in a used Coca Cola cup from McDonalds and call it the new Coke.

Now normally when someone create a pile of crap, people simply ignore it and move on, but what the producers of SGU did, was on top of producing a pile of crap, they also betrayed an established fan base, destroyed an established franchise, and spent more money per episode doing so.

The producers are too insecure to admit it, but anyone with basic business skills knows it was simply a bad business decision. There's simply no excuse.

And it's too late to turn back, the cat is out of the bag and not even Cooper & Wright's massive ego can contain this mess.

Goodbye Stargate.

I am a massive fan of SG-1, SGA and BSG (well until that Adam and Eve ending). All the aforementioned shows would make me reschedule anything and everything to watch the live airings of a new episode. I'd easily watch the reruns of episodes multiple times as Sky repeated them throughout the week. Admiteddly it did take me a few episodes to warm up to SGA but they won my heart fairly quickly.

But I find myself struggling to find a reason to watch future episodes of SGU and I've easily missed episodes in this first half season without feeling any sense of guilt or emptiness within my soul.

I'd rather prick my eyes with cocktail sticks than watch the meaningless soap operas filling many hours of TV schedules. I've ordered a season and half worth of sticks for some reason!! :-)

Can someone please let me know if proper Sci-Fi service resumes at some point in the Stargate franchise! Thanks.

I cant believe this "Adam" dude is defending SGU. I loved SG-1, SGA, and the movies (Original, Continuum and Ark of Truth). SGU does not belong in the Stargate franchise, and it is no longer science fiction. Its drama, and not very good drama. What were they thinking? I believe they wanted to take the best of Lost, BSG and Melrose Place and set it in space...then they slapped the Stargate name on it and set one up on the ship to tie it in with the Stargate franchise. OF COURSE we will compare it to SGA and SG-1, and OF COURSE we will yell loudly that this crap is not Stargate.

Adam is a schill. His arguments are absent...he is just defending his position without explaining why. And anyone reading this thread will easily see that. Are the studios THAT desperate to keep the flame lit for SGU? LOL.

Tell you what, no matter if there is a second season approved, without viewers and with sinking ratings that means NOTHING except cancellation. Advertisers want to back science fiction shows that people watch, not fake space-drama shows that make people grab tissues and chocolate.

I mean who gives a *beep* about some relationship when you're in a world of *beep* on a spaceship! The writing is so off it's pathetic. The drama isn't even interesting in this show. What's left? A Scifi background with meaningless relationships, pointless dialog and plots we've seen in at least 3 other scifi shows put together.

In short, i'm not surprised this show will be canceled after this season. I'm more surprised about the fanboys defending such an obvious turd of a show. We deserve better entertainment than this and luckily there are shows like Breaking Bad, Damages, and Mad Men to keep us entertained with proper drama.

Here is an interesting piece on the importance of Live+7 DVR viewers that is relevant to this discussion:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/12/21/faq-do-dvr-viewers-matter/36917
As I interpret the conclusions there, if a show has decent ratings with Live+7 numbers included, the producers can be pleased with its popularity but advertisers may not be happy because the majority of people are probably skipping their commercials.

If the show is not meant to be like SG1 or SGA, then why have the main feature (stargate) in the show at all.

I watched to other two series religiously but this is pretty bad.

The writing is terrible and I will watch some more just to give it a chance but it is a long way from the quality of the other two.

I give it a potential life to the end of the season if they can't improve it in a big way.

If they are trying to capitalize on the last two shows then they need to retain the same vein and keep the already die hard fans they have.

It is more financially prudent to use the viewer base you have and add to it, rather than start from scratch. This is simply the slow destruction of a valuable asset.

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SGU SUCKS 1 - 0 Adam/SGU affiliate

Forget it, if you can't articulate a post like a calm, rational adult, or even accept other people's opinions without resorting to childish name-calling then there's no use discussing anything with you. While you're posting your hate filled rants, and generally spending your time whining like a baby about a show you don't like, I'll be enjoying SGU. Sucks to be you. Anyway, goodbye, I won't be checking back for a response.

WTF? That's all you got?

How the fuck is it "contradictory" when "sucks" is an opinion.

How the fuck is it contradictory when even yourself said "I'm well aware a lot of people think SGU sucks".

I never said "no one likes the show", in fact I am sure I've repeated a few times people with no logic (morons) likes the show.

Seriously, you typed 10000 words to defend SGU, mistaking facts with opinion, demonstrated lack of basic maths skills, desmonstrated lack of logic by claiming SGU is the most logical ever, you keep repeating the same bullshit over and over but when I asked you simple questions such as:

Explain to me how "realistic" is it for a military operation to allow people to use critical equipments for personal use (goto a club/get laid)? Do you even understand basic military protocol when you blab about SGU being "realistic"?
When you give me a proper answer, I am going to list the other 10 major plot holes which proves SGU is nowhere near "realistic", not even in Hollywood standard.

There's no answer.

Nothing is as baseless as your "SGU is the most logical" bullshit.

CUT THE BULLSHITS, either give solid answers to my valid questions from the previous post, or STFU and accept that SGU sucks.

@adam the SGU affiliate

ROFL, obviously I was using the simplest way to describe you're someone who's grasping for straws, or "desperate loser".

"straw man" has at least 3 other definitions, the fact that you spent half your post, 500 words focusing on one term proves that you got nothing solid against my points.

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You act like you have all the facts, saying shit like "A second season wasn't part of the deal", how could you possibly know what goes on under the table? Do you even understand how business work?

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>>>> "it's unfair to say it 'sucks', as it would be with any other show."

It sucks, that's why people say it sucks, it has nothing to do with fairness.
Why else would you think so many people say SGU sucks? what, because it doesn't? lol

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>>>> "I'm not going to argue with you that SGU would have been just as successful or that it wouldn't, just that there's no way of knowing either way."

Then STFU and stop pretending you know about ratings, you know jack shit.

When you get right down to it, your so called arguments are just your opinion.

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>>>> "The reason I won't accept the fact that huge swathes of the viewers are leaving"

Who cares what you accept?
When the show come back next year there will be many other shows to watch,
At which point SGU will no longer be able to retain the large portion of angry SGA fans.

Be realistic and do the simple maths, and realize the fact that at some point SGA fan won't bother with SGU anymore and the ratings will drop because a large part of SGU's current viewers are those angry SGA viewers.

The huge drop in Live+SD already proves a lot of people don't care about the show anymore.
Live+7 came back because there's nothing else to watch. This won't be the case next year.

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>>>> "how on Earth can you know supposed 'die-hard' SG fans won't buy the DVD's when they're not even out yet?"

Why would people buy something they don't like? for fun?
Obtain the ability to do simple maths before arguing back.

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>>>> "it's the most logical and entertaining direction the franchise could have taken in my opinion"

most logical? compare to what? you've posted ZERO alternatives yet you kept blabing like producting SGU is the most perfect move in human history.
only people who thinks they know everything will call this piece of garbage "most logical".
I can easilly point out a few direction that SGU could take to get new viewers (even these SGU drama viewers) without so much negative feedback from the old SGA fans, aka a win-win-win situation.

SGU isn't a win-win-win, it's a win-lose-lose, at best it's win-win-lose.

So it isn't the most logical, fuck off with your logic bullshit, your logic sucks.

Don't even get me started on all the gigantic plot holes, if you think SGU is logical then your brain has issue.


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>>>> "Um, where did I say I thought the show was great? But since you asked, I think it's brilliant that a more gritty, realistic......."

I stopped reading right after "realistic", explain to me how "realistic" is it for a military operation to allow people to use critical equipments for personal use (goto a club/get laid)? Do you even understand basic military protocol when you blab about SGU being "realistic"?
When you give me a proper answer, I am going to list the other 10 major plot holes which proves SGU is nowhere near "realistic", not even in Hollywood standard.

When you have idiots who come here and claim SGU is realistic, that can only mean one of the two things:
1. A SGU affiliate trying to whitewash the negative feedback SGU deserved.
2. Someone who doesn't know what reality is like.

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>>>> "If you don't like it, that's fine, just try to accept that others do, whether you like it or not."

ROFL, clearly you don't think "that's fine", or else you wouldn't reply me the first place.
You're the one who can't accept a lot of people think SGU sucks.
Most of us just keep posting how stupid SGU is.
You're the one who can't accept the fact that people thinks SGU sucks.

SGU sucks, deal with it.

Would someone explain the claims made here how SGU is intelligent and mature? I found it ant-intellectual and/or emotion based with characters doing stupid childish things.

If you mean by mature the sex scenes, I found those as boring time fillers for inadequate writing.

Its absolutely rubbish to say as some that a series takes time to grow on you. Stargate Atlantis grabbed my attention from the excellent pilot episode onwards, and I warmed to the characters quite quickly. This SGU series should be renamed 'Lost in Space' I dont mind Robert Carlyle, its the storyline that is letting those actors down.

@Adam the strawman

LOL everyone grandma and her dog knew SGU would get renewed for season 2, it was part of the deal. WTF is going to invest that much time and money just for 1 season.

The problem with people like you is when people say SGU sucks you say it's only because it's not SGA, and when point out all the MAJOR fuck ups in SGU you flock to those 0.1/0.2 ratings and then say how great SGU is.

Like I said, list the numbers side by side and you'll realize what a pathetic attempt SGU is.

You want to play with numbers, compare SGU's season 1 with SGA's season 1, SGA kicked SGU's ass hands down. Even SGA's season 5 (which was improving on ratings), SGU isn't doing much better.

People like you ALWAYS ignore the fact that a huge part of the current viewers of SGU is leaving.

How the fuck is SGU more profitable when the die hard fan won't even buy the DVDs, or use DVR to skip the ads.

Hey, if you think SGU is great, how about try to explain the actual detail instead of playing with digits? Oh wait, there isn't anything worth mentioning in the show itself.

I don't get it. What's up with SGU?? I know 'this is a different direction' but this is way off the map and not in a good way either.
There are many elements to SG that made the franchise popular and successful. SGU has none of them.
Do you think the label is enough to carry it? Of course not. What do you think the fans want?Space Soap Opra?

If Syfy wants a successful series, bring back the original elements that made the original SG series a phenomenon. Put in a new team with a good nemesis (not the Replicators again!!)

That is essentially all you need, plus some twists here and there.

This 'whole new direction' approach is completely the OPPOSITE direction - which is BORING!

I could write better scripts in my sleep.

and - ANGRY BLACK MAN - wow. How original. Who thought that up? Angry Black Man #1?

SGU is pulling in a younger, more profitable demographic than Atlantis was, the trouble with that is that it airs on a Friday night, and a mainstream audience generally doesn't stay in on a Friday night to watch an hour of scifi, hence all the DVRing. If people didn't like the show, as you're desperately trying to convince everyone, then they wouldn't watch it at all... Oh wait, what's that I hear? SGU has just been renewed for a full 20 episode second season? So much for the show tanking...

You mean how people got tired of the bullshit in SGU and started to use DVR to skip through the crap and the ads?

Yeah I am sure this is what the studio were hoping for when they canceled SGA and spent a lot more money to produce SGU.

I'll bet you any money SGU's DVD sales will be nowhere near SGA's.

Some people are so defensive about SGU they even used SGU's Live+7 number to compare with SGA's Live+SD to make it look good.

SGA's Live+7 ratings has remained the same for the last 4 season. (1.9 - 2.2).

They ditched SGA, spent a lot more on SGU, only to get similar result with a large chunk of audience hating it before half the season is over.

Just use your brain and you'll know everything from raitings to DVD sale it's going to tank because people are now beginning to ditch SGU.

When these moron canceled SGA they bitch about SGA's low Live+SD numbers and ignored the Live+7.

Now they're holding onto SGU's Live+7 like a lifesaver, why? Coz SGU sucks and they know it.

List all the numbers of SGA, Production Cost/Live+SD/Live+7, compare it with SGU and you'll realize what a huge mistake SGU is.

Everybody knows a lot of the current viewers only watch SGU because there's nothing else to watch, which won't be the case next year, and since SGU is already filmed you know full well it's going to tank and tank hard next year.

Face it, SGU sucks and you know it.

SGU is not good. I don't want to sound like a parrot but it lacks in everything that made SG-1 and SGA good and does not deserve to wear the Stargate label. I don't want Melrose Place or 90210 in my space adventures. Have it stand on its own instead of trying to palm this poor imitation off as Stargate material. The only character I like is Dr. Rush who does excellent at being arrogant jerk scientist. Though I don't wish bad on any series the writing on the wall no matter how faint is there

I don't know about anybody else but I think the best thing about this show is the diversity of characters. The potential of the show does not end there either. The fact that the majority of the ship has not been explored yet is evidence enough. The pace is very slow at the moment and there are a lot of character based episodes. Too early for that imho. The downbeat tone of the show is a breath of fresh air in the plucky SG world and the tension between Robert Carlyle and Justin Louis is very well acted and delightful to watch, as was seen in 'Justice'. If they pick up the pace I think this would be one of the best SciFi shows out there.

In one sentence, he writes, "Give it a chance, people."

Three sentences later, "By all means stop watching SGU. I won't lose any sleep over it." Which is it? Should we watch or not?

"and really who cares about ratings.." Well, basically every studio, show runner, TV channel, etc. If people don't watch, your "wonderful" show will be off the air.

i love the show...but i have to say i watched monk and this the next day
it was the series fanlly what do u expect after all those years
i wouldnt worry about sgu

I would say that if anyone was guilty of obvious bias here, it's Adam. Oh, well. I'll leave him to be a stalwart defender of SGU. He can keep ignoring all of the complaints. We'll see within a season just who is right. Although since Syfy has nothing better to replace SGU, they may keep sending out press releases announcing that they continue to be pleased with 1.3 million viewers. Then 1.2. Then 1.1...

Tophat makes an interesting point. I would suggest that Colonel Young is now the principle villain in SGU. Agree or disagree?

On a related note, Young's questionable morals highlight one of the main reasons why I fear SGU will not have a long life. Human beings love heroes. They have been principal figures in many of the most important pieces of literature from a diversity of cultures. They have also proven to be the most effective characters in film and television. SGU has none.

I was watching trailers for The Dark Knight and Star Trek again lately and it struck me how crucial the heroism in them was to their appeal and success. Heroes are a major part of entertainment history. Some posters have suggested that shows like SG-1 and Atlantis have had their day and now it is the turn of SGU. I disagree. The popularity of Star Trek shows that there is as big a demand as ever for comic book heroes and big explosions. The devotion people have to SG-1 and Atlantis is further evidence of that.

My personal feeelings about Battlestar Galactica have led me to suspect that it was the lack of heroes that caused people to drift away from that show. I tired of the amorality by the second season. I am not saying there is anything wrong with this as an approach. I just don't think that such an approach has broad appeal. (There is, however, something wrong with the idea that this notion of 'realism' is somehow superior to old-fashioned comic book heroism). That is why I think SGU will have a similar fate to BSG. Whatever its other strengths and weakness are, I think Universe will have limited appeal for as long as it is lacking heroes, as 'unrealistic' as these may be. Before Justice I thought that I could root for Colonel Young if they gave him more to do. Now we know that the man currently in charge on Destiny is a would-be murderer. He is not someone I can see myself caring about or sympathising with as we go into the second half of the season. If Destiny is going to become a place where it is everyone for themselves, I think a lot of people will be tuning out just like me. Many won't, too, and the appeal of the show to them is just as valid as my dislike of it. Only time will tell if I am wrong and it has enough appeal to keep it on the air long-term.

I'm not one for censoring comments or wanting to curtail folks' freedom of speech, but I would like to ask those who feel it necessary to use a lot of profanity or to attack others personally to please tone it down.

Best litmus test to remember: would you talk to someone like that if they were standing in front of you?

I know this is a hot topic, but let's please try to comport ourselves with maturity and dignity.

Thanks everyone.

I stopped watching Stargate Universe after Life, I should have stopped earlier, but I felt obligated to 'give it a chance'. After all, at my house we own every season of SG-SG1 and Atlantis and every movie. My sister and I are -huge- Stargate fans.

My family also likes watching Monk, albeit we don't go out of our way to keep up with it and watch every episode. We did DVR the Monk finale and watch it a couple days later.

But had I a choice between watching a sci-fi show that I liked live or a 'Monk' live and waiting to watch the other? I would watch the sci-fi as soon as I could because I could not wait, and watch Monk on the DVR because it's not the sort of series that is structured to make you -have to watch the episode right now!!!' Of course, the finale part two was a much more emotional cliff hanger than SGU has EVER managed to pull off, so I would not blame anyone for ditching SGU to turn to Monk. (Although I am not really sure about the crossover in fans there)

SGU is not fresh, its a tired soap opera with characters I feel no sympathy for. (Except Eli because I'm a geek, and Rush because he bothers to be complex enough to be interesting. The captain is ok sometimes, but otherwise its a cast that makes me yawn.)

Certainly the series is 'dark' and 'gritty', maybe even 'edgy' - but in all the ways one might find some inexperienced film festival students putting together. It really felt like, while watching the show, that some completely different franchise just bought the rights to use the 'stargate' to up publicity for the crazy plot of their soap opera.

And if the real us military EVER allowed such blatant misuse of people's bodies to go on, on purpose, that would be the time to kick out the military. How all those people got security clearance is a minor issue in comparison to how casually the producers treat people's bodies like props to be passed around without any respect.

So the destiny "crew" is now being led by a someone who is effectively a murderer and who has stranded on an alien plant the person who knows most about the ship everyone is trapped on. What a leader? Why not spend time bickering with Rush off world rather than prosecuting him on the ship like a responsible military officer would and use what little time was available on the planet to learn about the alien ship. What a genius. Heaven forbid we should have anyone to admire in SGU. And why was Ming-Na's character so keen to prosecute Young? Where did that come from? Also, she closes the case and then takes the military personnel off the away team because they are suspects. Since the case is closed, they will presumably be suspects indefinitely? Does that mean they'll never be allowed on another away team. If the IOC were so concerned about the murder, why didn't they use the stones to send a qualified investigator to Destiny? Doesn't the military have such people?

Poor writing all round. And you say this is one of the season's best episode so far.

I think sci fi should sell SGU to NBC. They need a new daytime soap.

Adam below is just another example of those arrogant morons who cannot accept reality.

SGU sucked and its ratings tanked, end of story.

How about you morons wait for the live+7 numbers before you try to defend SGU.

WTF would anyone watch Monk first and not SGU if they're a true SGU fan.

We tld you SGU sucks, we told you we stopped watching, now the ratings tanked.

Fuck off with the Monk bullshit. SGU is done.

@ Man in Black

Because many on the forums have already admitted to doing just that. The Monk finale was a big deal, apparently the culmination of a 8 year arc, so I can see why people would check it out. You could question their priorities I suppose, but it's just a TV show, I don't think the majority of people would really consider that a big deal, especially when they can just DVR it and watch it later anyway.

Syfy surely knew that USA was airing the Monk finale that Friday. They are after all both owned by NBC Universal. They obviously thought there wouldn't be much audience conflict between the two shows, so they didn't bump SGU one week later.

I like action adventure shows, I have no patience for soap operas. SGU is not for me.

To the clowns who think record breaking numbers for a show in direct competition to SGU would have no effect, use your brains. The numbers Monk pulled in were massive compared to what the show usually gets, those people had to have come from somewhere, and to Victoria, there are people on Stargate forums already confessing to checking it out and DVRing SGU instead, not that your assertion that people who watch SGU wouldn't watch Monk held much water in the first place like...

The real test will come when the Live+7 are released, as has already been said, that's the best measure of the size of the actual audience, as opposed to just those who made the effort to watch it live.

Also, I've no problem with people not liking the show, that's your personal opinion which you're welcome to, but the 'ZOMG it's not stargate/Teh show sux0rs everyone hates it!!1one1' rants are starting to get a little embarrassing, don't you people see what loons you're making yourselves look like? Maybe try articulating some adult critiques next time? Please, if only for your own reputation, start acting like grown ups, it's just a TV show.

It is so hard to believe the same guys who came up with Stargate: SG1 and Stargate: Atlantis
made Stargate:Universe! WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED!

sorry but you missed the worst. the most anoying thing on sgu is the soapopera/drama crap. Lack of story (aliens, action, fun, loveable characters) comes second, but is equally important!

The problem might be that season 1 is already in the box, so they are not able to change course and avoid the iceberg.
There is just a hope for something completely different or a total conversion of the show (everything, including greatly different cast and style).

they need to wake up, or their jobs are at stake. it's ticking bomb... especially with the financial situation and the sale of mgm.

I am from Australia and have not seen SGU so far.I am a Stargate nut from way back I have all the SG1/SGA DVD,S Movies etc even Toy figures. ( but Judging from what I have read I not inpressed) If it is as slow as Battlestar Galatica ( then I will also will not watch the show)And also if there is onenly Guy people on it as well. ( what they do behind closed doors is there busines) But I will not watch it.

Its not being different, its being soap - there is no wonder, there is no awe, there is no exploring the final frontier - they explore each other, the writers focus on the characters family life, personal relationships, sexual dramas, emotional and moral conflicts ... AND THEY DO IT BADLY!

The characters are being written only to service the plot. None of the characters are real people with real emotions, they're marionettes whose
strings get pulled every which way the writers want the plot to go,
whenever convenient. Never mind that it's inconsistent or unreal. Much of it may look good on paper, but they don't have the writing talent to pull it off. And everybody is unlikeable and dysfunctional!
The leader beats people he doesn't like up, disobeys orders form superiors lies and now kills people from his own ship (or tries to anyway) - there is different and there is "hey we are on drugs lets write some rubbish"

If there is a season 2 i sincerely hope they'll lighten it up, get the people to work together willingly and dial down their aspirations - there is a reason the writers don't get emmys.

A fan of SGU will watch SGU not Monk, is simple as that, season finale of Monk or not.

And it sucks that the person that did the review has to read others say it's bias...grow up and sart thinking people.


SGU sucks, that's all, I liked the premiere (Air part 1 and 2), liked Light and some parts of Time, otherwise it's bad, just compare with SG-1 and SGA, I love them, have all the DVDs and about all I can get my hands on about them but the producers did not find the way with SGU yet and I fear they won't have time and the money after the first season finale in 2010 (Why only start in April, too much time...)

As I said, except the first (part 1 and 2 only) Light and a part of any episode Time 5 minutes worth of good footage and I think the story they're made using the stones of communication scenes there and run with them on Earth and the SGC a poor excuse for lack of idea and script quality, where is the creativity of the people, ended with SG1 and Atlantis?

Someone noted that except for the first episodes they have left the niches? and the rest of the ship? will not try to fix it, find out what and etc?

Gee, Atlantis in many episodes of high quality had this theme of exploring one's own Atlantis, it seems that reoteiristas are no ideas or lazy

Effects of Light and Time episode of parabens are, like, the performances in these episodes were also better but ...

... I agree with what many have said, the characters, except for Rush, Greer, Wray (some parts) and JT (even the "lieutenant junkie" worked better than the rest) all others are like something out of the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers ... without feelings without charisma ... and terribly under-developed both emotionally and professionally ... damn, only Rush and Eli can do something there?

Mr. Lieutenant "takes pants off" is boring, Chloe ditto ... the first episode Eli seemed to have more personality but now all he does is give that silly look and say "Yes" or "OK", just a blind follower, the episode Time he even gave an improved but then went back to being the follower...again ... The representative of the board also, the same thing ... very..off... Weir and Woosey where really cool.

The only thing I like about Wrai is that when she was out of the ship she showed so much more emotion and personality!!! I really like Ming Na, she is a great actress but the Script for her is too bad most of the time!!!

The Colonel is a two-faced son of a bitch (bitch thereof) with one expression ... is he trainning in front of the mirror to stay always the same way?

I hope that Rush comes the Colonel a big kick, I hope the alien race is not nice... I wanted to see new races, technologies, they too far to find Goaul'd or anything like we saw already please!!!!! ... maybe some race like Wraith to put them in line...

In short ... SGU for now sucks ... I hope this will change in April (if they not cancel it first) but I will sit and wait.

So almost every Stargate Universe viewer's last week decided to watch Monk instead? So why didn't Monk affect SGU ratings for the rest of the season? Such a lame theory.

And just to clarify, I had no problem with the lesbians. I give the writers credit for branching out and showing that gay people do exist. I'd have no problem with my niece seeing that same-sex people can be in a relationship. Heck, they are the ONLY couple it seems that we haven't seen "do it" on the show, a cheap stunt that was never necessary on previous SGs.

I would rather accept the accusation of poor journalism than stand accused of bias. One thing I hope that readers got from the critique I wrote of Stargate Universe (linked in the story above) is that I gave the show credit where I thought it unequivocally deserved it. I also attempted to be balanced in the piece above. I could have written a story that didn't mention the positive comments people have made under my original article, did not commend Mr. Wright and Mr. Cooper on their attempt to keep the franchise fresh, did not highlight the superior quality of "Justice", did not talk up SGU's potential and did not draw viewers' attention to the Stargate Universe marathons coming on Syfy and SPACE. I chose, instead, to include all these points.

I should also point out, that the ratings I quoted do compare like with like (Live+SD). Given these factors and the extensive and often positive press that CinemaSpy has given SGU since before it aired, I do find it extraordinary that first I, and later CinemaSpy staff in general, should be accused of bias against this show. As for Comments sections being "just a place for the loons to vent," there is a certain irony to the fact that this judgment was made by someone in the Comments section. In the interests of fairness, it should also be noted that the comments under my original story include radical expressions from people on both sides of the fence. I do agree, however, that the frequency of particular views made in such places should be treated with scepticism. For example, it would appear from the IP addresses of posters that at least one person who dislikes SGU has posted several comments under different usernames.

The above notwithstanding, I have amended the article to include mention of the Monk factor. Hopefully that will remove the stain of bias from the names of my CinemaSpy colleagues even if it does nothing for my reputation. I have also done this for two other reasons:
1) Adam is right that this point should have been made; and
2) I don't want this article to be exploited by anyone campaigning for SGU's cancellation or who would use their dislike of the show to challenge the integrity of the people involved in making it. While Stargate Universe may not be to my taste, I would rather see it survive and realise its potential than see it cancelled (I lost interest in BSG, too, but I would never have tried to kill it). Moreover, I have always maintained that the cast and crew of Stargate Universe are attempting to make the best show possible. If ratings are down it is because people aren't watching, not because the principals aren't trying. As with most shows, everyone involved deserves the highest level of objectivity. Thanks you, Adam, for encouraging that.

One more thing: if those PVR numbers become available, I will publish them here.

All very true. But remember that die hard fans of 'Universe' who can't catch an episode are more than likely going to PVR it...so those numbers need to be factored in as well.

'Monk' viewers and 'Stargate Universe' viewers are very different constituents, so I doubt the ratings gains for the former would be a corollary for the losses of the latter.

If we're going to be journalistic about it, that is. :)

Seems strange that you wouldn't mention that this episode was up against the Monk series finale which was breaking records with it's ratings. Poor journalism or obvious bias? Who knows.