As well as 'The Good Guys' and movies for Syfy
by Michael Simpson|August 26, 2010
Tonight sees the summer finale of USA Network's Burn Notice on USA at 9/8C. The action-packed espionage series debuted on the channel (a division of NBC Universal) in 2007. It was part of the network's shift away from sci-fi shows that included The Dead Zone and The 4400 (I still haven't forgiven them for canceling that). Since then Burn Notice has grown in popularity and scope and earlier this year it was renewed for a fifth and a sixth season.Like several of USA's shows, Burn Notice has won over critics and audiences with its mix of thrills, drama and offbeat humor. That is the sort of thing that scriptwriters, directors and cast are usually credited with, and rightly so. Invariably, though, there is at least one person in the film crew who is not going to get the recognition they deserve for contributing to a show's successful vibe. This member of the crew does as much as anyone to create the mood and their work would certainly be missed if it wasn't there. That's the composer. In the case of Burn Notice that person is John Dickson. The Texas-born composer's work on the series has won him an ASCAP (American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers) Award and led to him being chosen to write the music for Burn Notice creator Matt Nix's new comedy drama, The Good Guys (airing on FOX). Dickson has also composed the score for several Syfy (then SCI FI Channel) movies and indie productions.Dickson formed his first band (called Oasis, but don't tell the Gallaghers) at the age of thirteen. Later, as an independent musician, he went on to play with such renowned artists as Ray Charles, Burt Bacharach, Andy Williams, Dionne Warwick, Chick Corea, Alanis Morissette, Harry Connick, Barbra Streisand, Elton John and Billy Joel. CinemaSpy recently chatted with Dickson about his work on Burn Notice and other productions. In the, first of a two-part transcription of that conversation, Dickson discusses the origins of his composing career and the challenges he faces in helping to give Burn Notice its successful blend of rhythms.CinemaSpy: Did you always want to be a musician and a composer?John Dickson: I always wanted to be a musician. I started playing piano as soon as I could sit upright on a bench, from what I was told [laughs]. I started studying at eight and focused on music all through school. Concert piano for the longest time, classical piano and French horn and conducting and things like that. I probably wanted to add composition by the time I got into late high school. And I was a movie nut from day one, so I never really entertained the idea of doing concert composition, certainly not for a living. It's not a great way to make a living anyway. So, probably early teens I started thinking it would be awfully fun to not only play music but create my own. I kind of always figured I would tie it to movies because I was such a fan of movies and the music that was written for them. And I'd studied a lot of it. It's not like I studied physics and then turned around and went back to music [laughs]. I always did music.CinemaSpy: You already knew Burn Notice creator Matt Nix before you got involved in the show. Is that how you got to be the principal composer?John Dickson: It was certainly a good start. TV almost always starts with a high level producer suggesting somebody either that they'd like to have or that they already know. I've known Matt a long time. I've done every film that he's done since 1998. Matt is one of those guys who was a really great writer. He was making a very nice living doing book treatments and writing screenplays for various movie studios and production companies and they just were not getting green lit. They weren't going all the way to film status. But he was doing really well. He always made these short films and I think I've scored six or seven of them for him over the years.When the TV thing came up he called me and he said, "I can't guarantee you this gig because this is my first shot at this, my first TV gig, so there's a lot of people just watching how things go. But you certainly have my vote and you're in the mix. So pitch for it." I actually ended up doing several scenes from the pilot and I got it. It's great because we've just got a great shorthand. We've been working together for so long [that] we don't have to sit and hash over music for hours and hours and hours to figure out what's going on. He can tell me a few things stylistically or a few things about the attitude of the show.CinemaSpy: It's beneficial, then, to work with somebody you are already very familiar with?John Dickson: Oh, it's great. I just speeds the process up. Also it's a big show and it's got bigger and bigger as it's stayed on the air; more and more complex in terms of production. Matt is still really involved in writing storylines, he directed some episodes and is still very involved with production. So he needs to know that I get it so that he doesn't have to worry about music. That helps a lot, to have dealt with somebody for a while. Even one of his executive producers is a guy I did two films for back in the day, so I even know the Number Two guy pretty well.CinemaSpy: Where did you seek the inspiration to compose the main theme for the show?John Dickson: [Laughs] It was a funny process. They weren't sure how they were going to open the show. In contemporary television the word theme gets used...is not the way I kind of interpret it. There aren't many actual themes on television in terms of tunes that you come away with. Thirty years from now nobody is going to remember what the main theme of Burn Notice was because it isn't very tuneful. I think it's got a cool vibe and it's got a definite identity to it but it's not like the theme to M*A*S*H, you know. It's not a theme song. I considered a theme song for a while and I think the feeling was ultimately that wasn't a good fit for this show. They ended up with this thing in front of the show. Instead of a traditional title sequence they have sort of a 40-second in-case-you've-never-seen-it-this-is-what-Burn-Notice-is-about kind of a thing. It's the same piece of music every time and it's the same piece of video every season but they change it a little bit each season. It's just a way to let people know, if you don't know anything about Burn Notice, here it is in a nutshell. Then you're on your own after that if you haven't seen it yet [laughs]. And it kind of grew out of the attitude of the pilot.I did the opening theme and I'd had a chance to live with the pilot for a while and sort of get the musical identity there, which has a little bit of a Latin flavor because of the Miami setting. [It's become] definitely a more aggressive, action-oriented thing. It's gotten much more action oriented since the first season, but with sort of a funkiness and a bit of a lightness to it because it's a comedy as well. The show wear's a lot of hats. It's got some pretty heavy subject matter but at its core the characters have a very humorous sort of relationship with each other, especially if you're going to put Bruce Campbell in there. It's definitely not a dour-faced cop show. And then there's the end title, which is actually more thematic than the main title. It felt like I've got to mash together some of these things I'm doing in the show and make something that will tie it up.CinemaSpy: We tend to remember some of the classic TV themes but, like you say, in 20 years time people aren't generally going to remember the themes of today's shows, except perhaps reality shows like American Idol...John Dickson: Even so, American Idol is just sort of a two note badum-badum-badum-badum-badum-badum-badum. That's hardly a theme in the traditional sense. It's very, very recognizable but there's a difference between... I think the Burn Notice main title, especially the last groove, is something that makes people go, "Oh, sure, OK, I know what that is." But it isn't the theme to M*A*S*H. It's not Family Ties. It's not Hawaii Five-O. Those were very strong, very cinematic tunes and now it's kind of all about vibe. Give us a good vibe, give us a good groove. Like the theme to House. The theme to House is the intro to a song, but it's the intro before the song starts.I think it will probably swing around again one of these days to shows that actually have a more cinematic kind of approach. Part of this started a few years ago when they cut main title sequences down from as long as a minute to 40 seconds to 30 to 15 to sometimes five and them some shows don't have one at all. There's that whole channel flipping thing where we don't want to let people flip away to another show because they don't want to see an opening title. I think it's a mistake because it takes some of the identity of the show, it's longevity for the future, away. But I guess maybe it stops channel flipping. I don't know [laughs]. I have 500 channels [and I don't] do a lot of flipping anyway; there's just no time [laughs].CinemaSpy: What is your favorite television theme?John Dickson: Oh my gosh. I couldn't possibly pick a favorite, although I've got an era that's probably my favorite: the themes in, I guess it was the 70s. Mary Tyler Moore, her original show. Not Dick Van Dyke, although that was a great theme, too. The Mary Tyler Moore theme. The Bob Newhart theme. Those are very much the kind of slick New York jazz big band type of things . I think Pat Williams might have written one of them. Such great music. The theme to Hawaii Five-O. All of that era, sort of early 70s, I guess. The theme to M*A*S*H [by] Johnny Mandel. They had some of the great composers of the day writing these killer big band tunes for main titles. Those are the ones that didn't have lyrics. I guess M*A*S*H had lyrics sort of buried down in there somewhere. I think Bob Newhart may be one of my favorites, though. His first show [mimics music], it was just an amazing piece of music.CinemaSpy: They were big compositions back then.John Dickson: Yeah, you'd get a minute sequence usually to start off, sometimes maybe even longer. That was a great era for really smart, really well crafted television music. And good shows, too ... Hawaii Five-O was great. I don't remember who pointed it out the first time but I'm sure a lot of people have noticed that it seems to be 'Surfin' U.S.A.' but in a minor key, which, if that was the intent, is brilliant [laughs].CinemaSpy: Going back to Burn Notice, there's a great variety of music in the show. How much additional work is generally required by you for each episode?John Dickson: They've sort of changed their approach to that a little bit. The first season there was really an enormous amount. I was shocked by the amount of time that had to go into each show because there's so much music as well. They really use a lot of music. By the second season they'll usually take care of anything that plays in a club or bar or disco, something like that. They'll use source music for that. I kind of drew a line in the sand and said I didn't have any intention of doing that kind of music for the show because they can always get more legit salsa if they just go to a salsa band [or] just go to a library or someone place where they can get source music. If they want a hip hop tune they should just go get a hip hop tune. Occasionally they'll throw in something that goes under a car chase or an action scene. Some kind of a thrash metal tune or something. I've done a fair amount of heavy metal for the show as well. That was not so much the sound of the first season but the show has become more action oriented so it's gotten a little thicker.It's not so much extra work now because now I know what to expect. There's going to be 25 [or] 26 pieces of music in every episode and you realize that even with a substantial — I've got a substantial library of cues at this point — I still have to write new stuff every week. The huge percentage is still new stuff because the library doesn't quite fit. Sooner or later all shows begin to borrow from themselves but I haven't been able to do a lot of that yet on this show because it's evolving. Season 3 felt a lot different from Season 2 which was really different from Season 1 because there's just a lot more action than there used to be.That first season was tough because a network TV show was a new work pace for me. I had worked on other shows with other writers and I had been doing indie films and SCI FI Channel movies and things like that. To have seven days, eight days, five days or something to turn one of these scores around was a bit of a shock to the system. And to finally just get a routine. You have very little time. I've got to write the show in two days, three days tops. No matter how much music there is, that's all the time I'll have to write it because it's got to be performed and it's got to be tracked and then I've got to bring in musicians, whoever I need to play it. And I've got to have two solid days to mix it. We're usually on about a seven or eight day total turnaround, which is fairly luxurious from what I understand. Some shows are on five and that's crazy [laughs].CinemaSpy: Is there a particular process that you go through for each episode?John Dickson: Yeah. Denial, anger… Oh, no, that's not…wrong stages [laughs]. Yeah, we've pretty much got it down over here now. I've got a template, a very large template, I use on Digital Performer to sequence everything. Not much goes on paper; there's just no time and not a whole lot of reason for it. So, each season I'll take a look at what the requirements were the season before. We've got a lot more guitar or we need a lot more of this synth textural stuff... There's a lot more sort of synthy, driving arpeggiated techno kind of stuff this season because we've just gone to an edgier sort of feel and a little more contemporary feel. So I build in a lot of that stuff. I'll preset a ton of instruments in Performer and get a very large palette of stuff that's ready to go all the time. And we've got a recording platform [called] Pro Tools.We have an enormous template set up for the show that never changes once we're rolling. Everything tracks into that. We've got a really good routine. I've got a music editor, named Kevin Bassinson, [who will] prepare all the styling notes of how many cues there are, when they start, when they end, any kind of notes that went by in the styling session where someone said, "We'd really like the emotion in the middle of this scene to play this turn or play against this emotional turn;” all those types of things from whichever producer is supervising that episode. And of course there's always a temp score just because this is how things are. So they may say, "We don't like the tempo here. That doesn't work but that one spot, that works. We like it when the music does that. So make sure and have something that gives us that emotional beat." I usually do it in order. Sometimes I'll get into the show and do the big tent pole scenes first but usually I'll start in order and just start carving away. I spend a lot of the writing process [on] sound selection; going through mountains and mountains and thousands and thousands of textures and this sound and this combination of sounds and what if I put this effect and this delay? You're building a lot of stuff ... If it were just a rock-and-roll show it would be so easy [laughs]. You'd just write some tunes and be done with it. But because it's taken on a more kind of a modern sound, I find myself spending a lot of time knowing what I want to write but I can't do it until I've found the right sound. Luckily there are some amazing, amazing tools out there now that help. Then you look at how does that sound play against dialogue, and there's a lot of dialogue in this show. And there's a voiceover in this show. So the first two hours other than just getting the template set up will just be kind of listening to the pace of the dialogue and finding the peaks and valleys in the scenes or if I've got to play under the dialogue. I always have the dialogue up so I know what's going on. And all that has to be done really fast [laughs]. There's no time for writer's block.CinemaSpy: Are there any particular kinds of scenes in Burn Notice, or anything else that you've worked on, that are particularly difficult to write for?John Dickson: Yes. Difficult may be not quite the right word but the action stuff is easy. Action is easy and there's tonnes of it. That just comes down to [the question] do they want this heavy metal kind of grungy sound [or] are they just going to buy a song to put under it, which they do sometimes? What's the intent? Sometimes the villain will drive the sound of an action scene. The tougher scenes are the ones where people are talking quietly. They're also the more fun to do; where the plot is going to take its big turn during the course of a two-minute polite conversation. We recently did a show where that happens; where they've got some story points and some series points. Some of the big arc points change dramatically in the course of a conversation and I never just want to play wallpaper under those or just want to play a pad. You could get away with that, but I really like seeing just how subtly you can change the underscore to just support... If the intent is just to support the conversation, how you can do it, or if the intent is to play somehow against it, how you can do it? And how simply can you do it? Is it the introduction of one more instrument or do you take an instrument out? I look for ways that aren't the kind of cliché low note tools that might be the easiest to go to.Because the show is riding the fence between drama and comedy, some of the time and a lot of scenes have got both. There was a scene in Episode 10 of Season 2 where Bruce Campbell has got two guys he's interrogating and he's got them both blindfolded and then strapped to chairs in front of windows in a high rise. And it's a really intense scene. If the scene were in Collateral it would be absolutely terrifying because he's about to kick one of them out the window if he doesn't get the answer he wants. But its Bruce Campbell and its Burn Notice and so there's a humorous undertone there because he isn't really going to kill the guy. He's got him strapped to the building but these guys in the chairs don't know that. So it's playing the subtleties rather than just putting wallpaper under everything. Those are the most fun scenes and those are the trickiest because you don't ever want to get soapy with the writing. You don't want to get too saccharine in a nice scene because that's not these characters, although they have a very rich emotional life. Especially Fi [played by Gabrielle Anwar] and Michael [Jeffrey Donovan] who have this sort of undercurrent of this romantic thing going on. But you can't play it like a soap, so you have to go kind of lighthanded with it. I worked for a guy years and years ago who really stressed the point to never ignore the dialogue even when it seems like you could just play wallpaper. Make sure you know exactly what's going on because the slightest little change might help the score [to] really help the scene without overstating it or getting in the way. CinemaSpy: It has got to be a difficult balance to strike with a show like Burn Notice where it is part drama and part comedy and the comedy can be subtle.John Dickson: It's a sophisticated palette that Matt put together for the show, but that's the kind of writer he is. Everything I've ever read of Matt's is very layered. It's fun to play. It's a lot more fun to play than just plain old action scene, weepy scene, happy scene [laughs]. There's a lot more to it than that.Keep checking back at CinemaSpy for Part Two of this interview, which will be published shortly. In it, John Dickson discusses his work on sci-fi movies and what it would take for today's composers to get the recognition afforded to the likes of John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith and James Horner back in the 1980s. Samples of John's music can be heard on his website here.